> Well, sockets make this nearly impossible, for instance. Not if you use the "turned pin" type sockets. These are the only ones I will use anyway, having had horrible experiences with cheaper ones, and the happen to have a significant length of pin exposed that allows you to solder on the top side. They also make excellent "pin savers" for IC's that require frequent removal, such as EPROM's going into a UV eraser. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu