>So, Peter, if you wanted to make your own simple (inexpensive) transducer >pair out of readily available materials, where would you start? Plastic >piezo materials? I wouldn't start. But if I'd have to I'd start off with a serious comparative study (cost/benefit) for how high tech the transducer can be wrt how cheap the enclosure, bonding, precision etc. I think that plastic could make sense for a large transducer. Probably not for a small one. Then there is the matter of the anisotropic structure that will hold the array. Lots and lots of work and not in my line. For use in water, plastic is the closest thing (because the impedance must be matched eventually). Without a proper study, I do not know. I have done some work with conducted and open air ultrasound and I know it is hard work to make things work repeatably. As for 'diy' I have stripped color carrier crystals and glued them on substrates for this purpose (for conducted ultrasound). So not plastic. Obtaining acoustic characteristics for commonly used materials is like pulling teeth. I had to do everything by hand. Like speed of sound in 5 kinds of epoxy etc. Beware what you patent I am currently fuming about some US patents that should't be imnsho. Peter -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body