>"It's not a real competitor" or "It's just a toy" Just a little thing thing.. The PIC's screwy architecture just so happens to give a massive advantage in compiler design for executing the frame based Java Virtual Machine which gives it at least a 5 fold advantage for Object Orientated Processing over register/load/store architectures.. AVR/8051.. Eat your heart out! Check out the Metrics and think about a $2 PIC16F87 outrunning a $30 dedicated Java Silicon Ajile device.. Zoooom! http://www.muvium.com/metrics/metrics.htm My point is.. If the future is Object Orientated VM's then Microchip may just suddenly have the upper hand.. Interesting huh - In my obviously very biased opinion ;-) Imagine.. Java saves PIC.. Well clearly I like this idea :-) Cheers all, James Caska www.muvium.com uVM - 'Java Bred for Embedded' -----Original Message----- From: pic microcontroller discussion list [mailto:PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU] On Behalf Of Steve Kosmerchock Sent: Monday, 19 May 2003 5:35 AM To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Subject: Re: [PIC]: buy.microchip.com, any thoughts ? Jan, I found that they have minimum buys in quantity of at least 100 or so. As for them bypassing their distributors, a few years ago they dumped ALL of their reps and went only to distributors. I don't think they are worried too much about it, most of the distributors (except DIGIKEY and NEWARK) that I have worked with (ARROW, PIONEER, AVNET ... etc.) have all tried to get me to go to another processor. Perhaps it is just the fact that I live in Arizona and have some screwy reps. To be honest, most of the reps seem to do alot of MICROCHIP bashing, perhaps they get a smaller cut then some of the other companies pay!! I keep hearing "It's not a real competitor" or "It's just a toy", so now most of my PIC purchases are through DIGIKEY and I've told my MICROCHIP FAE why, apparently he wasn't too happy!! Best regards, Steve Kosmerchock Phoenix, Az USA www.xavien.com Jan-erik_Svderholm_(QAC) wrote: Hi. I just saw that Microchip has created an online purchase web page. (buy.microchip.com). Right now only servering US customers, but other countries are planed, they say. Anyway, it seems to be quite competitive prices. The single unit price of a 12F675-I/P ($1.81 USD) is lower then the 100 unit price (in Sweden) from Farnell. Since I'm a non-US, so I could not get any p&p value... I also checked with Digikey, and thers single unit price was a little bit higher then MC, but the 100 unit prices was exactly the same (for the two chips I checked, 18F252-I/SP and 12F675-I/P). Anyone else seen this service ? Any thoughts about it ? Doesn't the distributors normaly gets a bit "upset" when a producer decides to bypass them and sell directly to the customers ? Jan-Erik. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.