Been there, tried that. Sure it doesn't have auto routing and flashing lights, but the system works and is very cheap for a beginner to knock off their own PCB's. Except that there are now several "real" PCB packages that you can get for free. Wanting to use a drawing program to replace something you can't afford, but wanting to use one in place of Eagle, for instance, is just silly. Using a real PCB package is an educational experience in the way PCB drawing packages differ from generic drawing packages, and is good for your career (maybe.) Of course, my latest hack involved drawing a generic picture (Pinewood derby templates) using Eagle, so... BillW -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads