Stick me in the "there's one in every crowd" category. :-) 1. Netherlands - I worked in Amsterdam years ago and my wife missed it on a whirlwind Europe trip before we met so we decided to honeymoon there in 2001. Had a blast - both in the city and out in the countryside. Did the touristy museum stuff and off-beat things like finding 200 volt light bulbs to use in my pumphouse back here in the U.S. 2. Grand Canyon - average time spent at the rim is something like 22 minutes? It's pretty much a waste to go to the rim and peer down - there's no reference/scale so it looks like a big flat painting. Only way to appreciate the size is to hike into it. Did a 3 day hike down to Supai and you get a real sense of scale when you compare how far you walked to the little distance it covers on a map of Grand Canyon. Just my $.02 (which is worth less and less Euros every day!) chuckc -------Original Message------- From: Wouter van Ooijen Sent: 05/09/03 10:28 AM To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Subject: Re: [PIC]: Coming to a City, State or Country near you soon > > > why skip the Netherlands??...lovely place..from what I have > read..plan to > visit once I catch up with my project wish list in about 10 years.. NL is a peacefull and lovely place to live and work (although it does not escape its small alotment of violence), but rather lacking in the natural beauty aspect (unless you consider some parts of Amsterdam to match that criterium). And not much man-made beauty either IMHO. Just a lot of quite sensible people packed much too closely together. I fully agree with the right-wing politicians here that NL is full - but I disagree with them on the root cause: I think NL is too full with native Dutchmen. Wouter van Ooijen -- ------------------------------------------- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: www.voti.nl consultancy, development, PICmicro products -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details. > -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.