Hahaha....sorry about that, I tried IC-Prog: http://www.ic-prog.com/index1.htm. I thought that the message I was replying to would be quoted...I was wrong :-) Anyways, like I said supposedly the 676 is supported by ver 1.05b, but they only have 1.05a on the website.... P.S. I am now hitting enter at the end of each line....sorry about that. Mike Hillpot -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.