(I begun writing a reply about "firmware" also being "software", and why you'd have to "wait for new firmware" in one case and "just need a software update" in another, and that the little more "intelligent" programmers tend to have a little better support, but never mind...) :-) Jan-Erik. Herbert Graf wrote: > I disagree. "intelligent" programmers require you to wait for new firmware > to support a new part, plus new software. Parallel port versions (and serial > port versions with no smarts) just need a software update. Of course, for > production a smart programmer is a must IMHO, also "smart" programmers can > possibly be quicker. For hobbyists though I think a parallel port programmer > is much easier to keep "up to date". TTYL -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.