never having seen one, I didn't think it was that literally a "one-time" device. Always thought it would be windowed. Interesting. Yeah. Someone (it might even have been microchip) noticed that the package for their UV-erasable micros was getting to be a lot more expensive (since it's ceramic, and has that glass/quartz window) than the chip itself. In a normal package, you can only program it once, but turnaround is a lot quicker than a mask-programmed part, which is a BIG advantage. You can also start using packages that you could never fit a window in (SOIC, etc.) Since then, everyone has been doing it, even for things like real EPROMS, for similar reasons. (I guess the other big reason is that the other OTP technologies (fuses) never came close to matching the density improvements of EPROM technology. (Atmel even seems to be offering some OTP devices based on FLASH technology, which is ... interesting, I guess.) You don't see as many "hobbyist" programmers for the OTP/UV PICs because they tend to be more complicated parallel algorithms... BillW -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics