That is exactly what they are ...encoders.You use a decoder to count up and down. You can get any encoder with a built in shaft and you are in business. Some of the easy to use rotary encoder are the Grayhill Series 61 and series 62 Optical rotary encoders. Madhu -----Original Message----- I am looking for a panel mounted rotary dial or switch. Like the kind you see on car radios. Turn it one way and it counts up, otherway and it counts down. Same way an encoder works. I tried to search but I think the lack of the right description lets me down. Quentin -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body