Hi. I just scraped an old mouse (a Logitech wheel mouse) to see what optical components they used. I noticed that the wheel had one LED (IR?) and one 3 pin "receiver" mounted. Now, the wheel just have a row of spokes, but someway, the unit must not only detect spoke/nospoke, but also the direction the wheel is turning. Anyone know how these receivers work ? Maybe I'll de-solder a pair and setup a testbed... No marking on the components, of course... Jan-Erik. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.