>> Need to go pick up some more el-cheapo SOIC's. microcontrollers on eBay tend to be cheaper in SOIC, I think. Less demand, I guess. Hey, guess what? A standard sdram DIMM socket has springy contacts on .05inch centers, and I think there is some potential that you might be able to realtively easily convert such a DIMM socket into a ZIF-like programming socket for SOIC parts. More if I actually get a round tuit. BillW -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics