> This opens up a new world to me, and I highly recommend it to > anyone else who's been sceptical Fun, eh ? I was particularly pleased I could do this when the only AVRs in stock were SMT. Dead easy to make an SMT to DIP adapter Here's something to try next - Get a scrap PCB that's stuffed full of all kinds of interesting SMT chips. Take to the non-chip side with a blowtorch, bang it on the bench, and watch the chips drop off like flies -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads