If well-adhered copper is getting pulled off the board, the back-grind angle of the drill's flutes is usually responsible. With larger drills, it is common to remove the back "lip" by hand with a grinder to resolve this. With small diameter drills, not so easy. You're better off buying some better quality drills to work on your masterpieces. This back-grind shape is characteristic of inexpensive drills. Avoid anything from a local hardware store, or any that come on card or blister packs, such as Vermont drills & the like. Cheap CHinese drills sometimes work out very well with glass boards, because they are typically overhardened - bad for breakage with the average user, but good for abrasive materials like paper & glass. Another possible scenario is that of drill RPM being too low- this requires that the drill be held to the workpiece long enough to generate sufficient heat to burn the laminating adhesive that holds the Cu to the substrate. This does happen frequently with circuit boards because the substrates used do not conduct heat away from the cut, as is the case in metalworking. effective and consistent PCB ios even more sensitive to the need for good tools and correct practice. Remember from last week's thread that with typical circuit board size holes the RPM has to be way up there, with 1,000 to 1,500 RPM being a minimum in most cases- up to thousands of RPM. C > > > The speed and cutting angle make a big difference in the > effectiveness of > drills. -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body