I must be old, as I have an abhorrence for what I see as deliberate misuse of English in an attempt to sound either important or politically correct. I have just answered someone on another board who would like to 'interface with someone' , concerning Pic microcontrollers. Part of my flippant reply was; "If this wasn't a microcontroller would you still interface with someone, or would you just want to talk to them instead?" shaking head sadly Colin -- cdb, cdb@barnard.name on 31/03/2002 -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.