D. Jay I have to stress the fact that I asked about transceivers, because I didn't know the answer to the solution. Even though transceivers are obvious to some people, others don't know this *yet*. How else does one learn but to ask a question? As for books, they are very difficult to come by in South Africa. Here I would easily pay US$60 for a US$18 book, if I could get it. As I assume you know, importing is a problem since our exhcange rate sucks and import taxes are rediculous. So to date, what I have done with microcontrollers have been based on their datasheets, application notes, some examples I found on the Internet, and asking questions here. So please, don't pick on people asking "newbie" questions (that's the feeling I got). Such questions are asked here because those of us who need the assistance know that the best in the world is here and will know the answer. Thanks Werner ----- Original Message ----- From: "D. Jay Newman" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [PIC]: USART -> RS232, Transceiver Chip Required? > > I still feel that Microchip could have added a single sentence to the > > datasheet saying something like "Running the USART in asynchronous mode to > > connect via RS232 to DTE equipment such as computers, will require the use > > of a line transceiver. See application note xxx for an example". > > The problem with this is it would rapidly inflate the documentation. > The datasheet is meant to be read by techs, not beginners. > > When I was new to the microcontroller field I had the same question and > I've been in computers for 30 years now (with much of that in software). > > However, *every* beginning PIC book (that looked worth picking up to me) > had a tranciever circuit. > > And remember, you only need a tranciever if you want to go to real > rs232 level signals. You can use the UART for internal communications > without problems internally at TTL levels. > -- > D. Jay Newman ! Pudge controls the weather. > jay@sprucegrove.com ! > http://enerd.ws/~jay/ ! Oh good. My dog found the chainsaw. > > -- > http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList > mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu > -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu