> i started looking for a free programmer to build by myself on the > net, and got lost in 10 minutes: isp, read "start with PICs" at http://www.voti.nl/swp Wouter van Ooijen -- ------------------------------------------- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: www.voti.nl consultancy, development, PICmicro products -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.