I'v got good results with the Wisp628 programmer : http://www.voti.nl/wisp628/index.html. You can built it from scratch using your own components, buy a component kit, or buy a ready-built programmer. Jan-Erik. faisal moro wrote: >hi all > >i started looking for a free programmer to build by myself on the >net, and got lost in 10 minutes: isp, bootloader, could someone >please explain me these? >Isp seems a cool feature, but do i have to "sacrify" pins? >Then, what is a bootloader? >I need to find a free programmer that works wit IC-Prog (or whatever) >and that i can build by myself, with the plus of isp. > >What does your experience suggest? > >Thanks a lot! > >Faisal -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.