hi all i started looking for a free programmer to build by myself on the net, and got lost in 10 minutes: isp, bootloader, could someone please explain me these? Isp seems a cool feature, but do i have to "sacrify" pins? Then, what is a bootloader? I need to find a free programmer that works wit IC-Prog (or whatever) and that i can build by myself, with the plus of isp. What does your experience suggest? Thanks a lot! Faisal -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.