It takes less that two minutes to ID all of the pins. All you need is a DC power supply and a current limiting resistor. My initial thought was that this sounded like a TIL311 (hexadecimal display with internal logic. But the missing pins are in the wrong place.) The sort of tests being propose will NOT work on that sort of device (of course, "that sort of device" is pretty rare...) BillW -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body