>=20 > If there is any other programmer that is cheap enough and=20 > will work with better result, I would appreciate a point=20 > towards it. I am leary of picking another myself after=20 > piecing two together that are giving me trouble. >=20 > Email: airdance40@hotmail.com >=20 >=20 I have been really happy with the Warp13. It is PICStart compatible, and only $100. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.