Jameco Electronics have the bare dev boards, from MicroEngineering? that you can put the socket on, wire up a RJ45 and your in business. I've got 2 or 3 of them all in different stages of a project development. Gives a nice size breadboard too. Of course this means you have to solder some parts in..... _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads