It is the only pic I have. First time using the HOMEBUILT circuit. I = have version 0.81 >I have been attempting to use the el cheapo >programmer on a 16f627 with >no success at all. Does anyne have a circuit for >reliable programming >and a straight forward program for it. Which version of the El Cheapo circuit are you using - the "book" version or the "homebuilt" version? Which software version are you using - Windows 0.84? Have you gotten it to work for any other chips (e.g. 16F84)? I can program a 16F84, 16F84A, and 16F627 (only chips I've tried with it) successfully on the "homebuilt" circuit using the Windows 0.84 software. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu