I am in the process of building an El Cheapo programmer as well. The PIC16F62x devices need to have RB4 pulled low to initialize the programming mode. The solution is simply a matter of connecting RB4 to ground when programming 16F62x's. I use IC-PROG for software. Good luck. -Clayton -----Original Message----- From: pic microcontroller discussion list [mailto:PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU]On Behalf Of TONY PADGETT Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 9:19 AM To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Subject: pic programmer circuit I have been attempting to use the el cheapo programmer on a 16f627 with no success at all. Does anyne have a circuit for reliable programming and a straight forward program for it. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu