> I have been attempting to use the el cheapo programmer on a > 16f627 with no success at all. Does anyne have a circuit for > reliable programming and a straight forward program for it. http://www.voti.nl/wisp628 but you will need a programmed 16f628. but if you can get your cheapo to work just once.... Wouter van Ooijen -- ------------------------------------------- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: www.voti.nl consultancy, development, PICmicro products -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu