>And IMHO tools that have not yet caught up with at least the >12F's are rather slow in doing so, which means that they >probably should not be used in a professional environment ;) Unfortunately I would say that as the original poster is quoting a 16C84 then they are not even in the hobby environment, let alone a professional environment. I had been considering also pointing at the 18F series, but felt that the 16F was going to be a big enough leap in technology from where they were starting. However thank you for pointing out the other alternatives that I had not had the time to investigate. -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body