> People must sometimes realize that when a person is > NOT developing for a > commercial product priorities can be VASTLY different, this case is a > perfect example of that. I agree to the above, but for the rest of your argumentation I agree to disagree ;) And I am not yet aware of any quirks in the 12F675 or 16F676. And none for the 16F81x either, but that one might be too young to know. And an internal oscillator (particularly a relatively accurate one like in the 12F's) can make work easier for a newbie because the crystal and caps can be omitted. Wouter van Ooijen -- ------------------------------------------- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: www.voti.nl consultancy, development, PICmicro products -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.