- for ringing include series resistors, maybe 220 ohm or so - you say some pins are common (rb6,7?), are you sure the other PICs don't mess with these lines? - maybe use a programmer that is more suite to ICSP than PS+ (lower impedance drivers) - do you pull the LVP pins down? - what is still on the /MCLR when you have removed the jumper? Wouter van Ooijen -- ------------------------------------------- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: www.voti.nl consultancy, development, PICmicro products > -----Original Message----- > From: pic microcontroller discussion list > [mailto:PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU] On Behalf Of Chris Loiacono > Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 10:47 PM > To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU > Subject: ICSP anyone? > > > Does anyone have more than a basic grasp of PIC ICSP? I have > a new board in > front of me with several TQFP & SOIC flash PIC's - > (hopefully) set up for > programming each individually thru my PICStart+ with an > adapter cable I made > for the occasion. It worked well on the breadboard but not so on my > finished board. I can scope the clock, data and 13V on/MCLR, > but MPlab says > the chip isn't blank when starting and fails every time. > > 4 of the 5 pins required for programming stay common among > the PICs, but the > /MCLR pins are isolated thru shunt jumpers. > > The clock & data signals from the programmer show as rining pretty > badly.....what else might I consider??? > > > Hence, I am here begging for any clues, help, etc.... > > Chris > > -- > http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList > mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu > -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu