> I use a p16pro programmer with picall software. > > I can program a blank pic but once it is programmed I cannot reprogram > it at all. > I get a fault1 error in the programming software. > I suspect that it is probably running in the programmer since it is > using the internal Rc oscillator. > this is somehow preventing it from going into programming mode What PIC are you using? Some of them have a very right maximum rise time requirement on Vpp specifically to prevent the internal oscillator starting. However, all of these details should be handled by the programmer. ***************************************************************** Embed Inc, embedded system specialists in Littleton Massachusetts (978) 742-9014, http://www.embedinc.com -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.