Hi friends ( if still alive any...) I'm so lazy and my internet wires are soo frozen, so I'm asking you, where is the simplest programmer on the WEB for 89C2051 or 89C4051, homebrew, no catch22 problem, excluse buying, nice software ( maybe under windows ), maybe one or two hours spent for prototyping ( for two right hands technician) I found one, but with some hardware redundancy: http://chaokhun.kmitl.ac.th/~kswichit/pgm89_web/Pgm89.html Maybe you know one which works with ic-prog software ? thank you, Vasile http://www.geocities.com/vsurducan/electro/Pic/pic.htm -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads