This is the cheap LCD clock I'm having a stab at http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/joecolquitt/glasslcd.html and a couple of sample waveforms, common and segment. I'm still cataloguing phase relationships and the multiplexing. The bottom picture is a grab of the display showing 12 blank blank. Glitchy to say the least There's a 1.5V button cell for the clock and one for the LED. 13 control lines is within cooey of a small PIC but the fly in the ointment is having a keypad on the same port lines as the LCD drive. This is possible with a standard alphanumeric because the display is static between writes so data lines can double as inputs but this would probably mess up the display on a direct- drive LCD. The first hurdle to get over is creating those low bipolar volatges -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu