There is the method of the stacked offset board. This works if your chip is on a socket. Basically it's a 'pin protector' but there is a small board between the female and male sockets and the flatcable is connected to the board. Would this help ? Peter -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body