I am looking at Atmels Application Note AVR109, which referes to = AVRprog.exe as being available on the Atmel web site, for free. Just = can't find it. Any help would be appreciated. Even hints or clues. Thanks John -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads