At 06:00 PM 2/17/2003 -0500, you wrote: >You read it electronically. The revision is the low 5 bits of the device >ID, which on these parts is located at 3FFFFEh - 3FFFFFFh. I can plug a >chip into my programmer and it determines what it is, then reports the >model and revision. I assume other programmers can do the same thing. Hmm.. my PICSTART Plus (3.10.00) shows 0xFFFFFFFF for the device ID. But the checksum is 02D8. Both on the 18F252 and F452 samples I tried (three virgin chips direct from uChip). But (RTFM and all that: DS39564A-page 200), I see you're right,-it's certainly *supposed* to have the revision number. 8-( Best regards, Spehro Pefhany --"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward" speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics