>> when you open the cover is a pencil and a paper notebook. > >At least it will work reliably, and even with real-time response. ;-) And you won't be forced to upgrade annually, Bill doesn't own the graphite factory, the media is a renewable resource, ... Sounds like a great reason to give up now! Andy -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics