> Try sailplanes! >Seriously, it's really cheap flying and offers the thrill of "real" flying >without the expense. It's really relaxing, takes little time to learn, and >offers huge amounts of fun and _really_*cool*_views_. Additionally, it can >serve as a great stepping stone to power flying. This is the route I've >taken to powered flight, and it's been reasonably cheap and fairly quick. I >got my sailplane license about 6 months ago, and am working on a power >rating for more "useful" flying. Yeah, would not mind, except that England is full of very low, very rounded hills :)) Scotland is a bit far away, and all my time is taken up with other things. Wish I had a picture to show you, of the Paekakariki hills just out of Wellington, New Zealand, where the cliff is an almost sheer drop to the sea, and guys go hang gliding off it. Not sure how high it is, but must be several hundred feet. The Old Coach Road ambles its way down the side. This used to be the main road north from Wellington. Must have been an exciting ride in the days of horse drawn coaches, it is bad enough these days in a car with the road sealed. Gee the way threads on this list meander - just 'cause someone got a rating :)))) -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.