oooh, this is really slick.... I used the solder swipe cup tip method to solder my smd onto its pads, and it worked pretty good, one side went on perfectly, but the other ended up being a big blob over all the pins, after heating again, and flicking it on the table, it was fairly OK, now, if I didn't cook the thing, it should work, but, it's a I2C A/D converter, and I have no idea how this thing works.... IBB - I'll be back..... ;-) btw, I used 500 F and that worked OK, I'd still like to know the rule for the temps needed/used in various circumstances thanks -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics