The 16f877 has a number of features the f84 doesn't. Have you read the f877 datasheet? I don't know anything about the circuit or program you're using, but it could be you are getting bitten by not turning off a feature, such as ADC. Josh -- A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools. -Douglas Adams "mr. man" wrote: > I bought Myke Predko's "Programming and Customizing > PIC Micro Microcontrollers." I'm using the El Cheapo > board, software and MPLAB 6.1. I tried the "ledon" > experiment and it worked with a 16F84A, then I tried a > 16F877, it programmed and verified OK but when I put > it in the circuit the LED turned on and stayed on > regardless or input. I tried the home built version of > el cheapo and got the same results. I saw some posts > about Low Voltage Programming mode (LVP) and tried a > 10K from RB3 to ground but got the same results. -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body