I wonder about those older style Infra-red grills, that looked a bit like a jaffle iron with an intermediate metal riser so that cakes and things could be cooked. Surely their heat would be more even as the top and bottom elements are sealed and are directly in line with one another. If I had one to hand --- colin -- cdb, bodgy1@optusnet.com.au on 06/02/2003 I have always been a few Dendrites short of an Axon and believe me it shows. Light travels faster than sound. That's why some people appear bright until they speak! -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads