> duration - but I'd eventually solve my problem. I found that it > worked just as well if I talked to the budgie - his eyes might have > glazed over as well, but they were too small to see. Least the budgie proably chatted back to you, making it look like you were making some sense of what you were explaining :)) -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.