They both output 39.4V (the email said this is normal with no load) and they both output 100ma. Does anyone have any suggestions? Does anyone know of a source for a 24V, NiMH smart charger? Define "smart"? It sounds like the charger you have has an actual constant current source in there someplace, which is a bit more than most chargers (which typicall JUST have a resistor.) I own a couple NiMH chargers, and my favorite so far is the one from Sears (believe it or not.) It apparently has a timer and drops the charging current to "trickle" after the timer expires. Of course, that's a single cell (actually two cells at a time) charger, so it won't do anyway :-( To be considered a SMART charger, I would think it should automatically detect end-of-charge (ie by detecting dT/dt or dV/dt, or something) and drop to trickle (or turn off.) I haven't seen very many like that, though. Perhaps having loose cells interferes with proper temperature sensing? I think they're all either lazy or afraid that no one will PAY for a smart charger (could be right - the $200 price tags on LiIon Packs are absurd!) 100mA isn't much of a charger for a 4000mAh, is it? Shouldn't you have at least 400mA for a C/10 12-hour charge, and significantly higher than that for faster charging? I don't know if 100mA even qualifies as "trickle." BillW -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.