It would not be difficult to trace the mail headers and to see which country I am coming from. But, it's not necessary and i hope u won't do so. We are in the South Asia and basically, my company is semi-privately owned. 30% of the company is under the gov investment arm. But the company are not dynamic due to the fact that our customer belongs to gov and semi gov. Usually, it's not the competitiveness and capability that allows us to secure certain projects/tender, rather, it's connection and race based. ( as in everywhere else ) There are more to it, like the ch--ting of Gov grant money and many more. This is a real eye opener to me, and sometimes I do feel guilty of being a part of this, however a small part it may be. But jobs are hard to find nowadays, most companies are retrenching, and relocating to China. Whatever it is, life still goes on. Thanks JJ, for the your straightforward writing. I mean it and i read it more than twice. Thanks Wagner, I will always remind myself of what you said. And yes Russel, I will do some private projects myself. Thank you all. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads