First off...I've been doing PLC and ladder logic stuff for about 20 years. Unless you have a buring desire to do this for fun, the product for a small market might not be worth it, when you can buy all the pieces for what it might cost to develop your own. For a specific use controller, which is what PIC's are great for, then it makes sense to build a board, etc but write the code in C or assembly since it is for target use. Now, for PLC applications, the only reason to write ladder logic is legacy. In other words, thats the way its always been done, and the control engineers understand it (maybe some don't relize its a throwback to real ladder logic of using relays and timers) so why mess with it? To get back to the subject at hand, there is a company called Direct Automation that sells the stuff pretty darn cheap, because its thier brand, albiet it it probably a japanese remark, but you aren't paying the price for a Siemens or AB unit. Of course, some outfits demand an AB unit, because of the name associated with it. I've developed using AB software, Rockwell, GE, Siemens, TI and a few other off brand things, and they are all about the same. Just my .02 worth _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads