On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Andy Kunz wrote: *>Now you can't even see them glow most of the time because they replaced the *>windowed chips with flash. (I _did_ manage to accomplish this with a *>PIC18F6720 the other day. My scope probe slipped and connected Vpp to an *>adjacent pin). Vpp is supposed to be current limited to ~40mA, no ? I almost managed to light up a 16C54W way back when I designed my first programmer from scratch but I stopped just in time. That last extra check is worth it ;-) Peter -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics