I've seen a 100 kg contraption that powered a microprocessor. Basically it was a set of coils and antennaes oriented at different angles, picking up radio-interference and converting this into power to the chip. It used a bunch of caps to allow for some power storage, but the bulk of the monster was coils and antennae... Very funny, and it had cost some scientists a tonn of cash to build. There are also a lot of radio-designs from about 1958++ that use RF power. I've read that several people found them to deliver surprisingly loud and good audio. Maby a RF powered circuit is what you want ? KreAture ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Rigby-Jones" To: Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [EE]: Any Circuit using Cap as Energy Storage > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tony Antoniou [SMTP:artstar@OPTUSHOME.COM.AU] > > Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 12:37 PM > > To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU > > Subject: Re: [EE]: Any Circuit using Cap as Energy Storage > > > > You learn more from your failures than your successes. > > > > Faithfully, > > Tony Antoniou > > > I absolutely agree, if you are experimenting to prove or disprove something. > However, research is also an important part of learning, and just a small > amount of research would indicate that the OP's time could be better spent > investigating something more usefull. > > I apologize if I have been a miserable git, I certainly don't want to > discourage anyone from experimenting in electronics. Indeed I can remember > doing simmilar experiments when I was quite young, and not knowing why it > didn't work until I learnt about thermodynamics much later. However, I > firmly belive that perpetual motion machines are pure fantasy, not only > because of the laws of thermodynaics but also my own feeling of the > impossibility of creating energy from nothing. Of course this is only my > opinion, but I feel that there are more worthy projects that time could be > spent on than perpetual motion machines. > > Vasile wrote: > > > Now you are really dissapointed me, Michael ! :) > > If you are switching off our dream possibilities then what else do we > >have ? Never say : > >a. it's not possible > >b. That's a physic law and can't be broken, because it's a perfect law > > > >Just think at some keywords: cold-fusion,cloning,zero-energy etc... > >If you are a teacher, please don't gave a D or 5 to your pupils if they > >believe in perpetuum-mobile or infinite efficiency of a power supply. > > > >So if a rested mind is searching for perpetuum youngest and "mobile", let > >him try ! You'll be surprised how many things can he/she discover ! > > > >Or are you too old for such things ? :)) > > Vasile, sorry to dissapoint you :o) I don't think I'm too old for such > things, and on most matters I do have an open mind. This just happens to be > one topic that > will be difficult to make me change my mind! > > Roman wrote: > > > >Please don't take offence Michael, I obviously > >need to work on my communication skills. :o) > > > >Yes I believe in perpetual motion, the earth will > >perpetually revolve around the sun and electrons > >perpetually revolve around their nucleus. More or > >less. ;o) > > > > No offence taken. I admit to using the term "perpetual motion" rather > loosely. PM itself is commonplace around us, the motions of planets as you > say and the tides and rivers are just a few examples. What I was refering > to of course is the goal of acheiving a perpetual supply of energy from > nothing, which is the ultimate goal of a PM machine. > > Regards > > Mike > > > ======================================================================= > This e-mail is intended for the person it is addressed to only. The > information contained in it may be confidential and/or protected by > law. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, you must > not make any use of this information, or copy or show it to any > person. Please contact us immediately to tell us that you have > received this e-mail, and return the original to us. 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