Boys, I am worried you are forgetting about the engine that is clear in PC industry. Every product must be developed as quickly as possible. Being the second is like to be last one... Doesn't your program work in your computer? You should buy the more powerful one... It will happen with micros. I am old enough to be allowed to predict the development... We don't care about sources, we need a result. When Microchip will not have a support how to speed up our products we will try anything else. I can't help but the best processor (almost risk) was 6502. It's still produced by Mitsubishi and somewhere in the Arizona. Instructions were such powerful you don't need any HLL. Igor -----Original Message----- From: pic microcontroller discussion list [mailto:PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU]On Behalf Of William Chops Westfield Sent: 19. ledna 2003 23:51 To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Subject: Re: [PIC]:PIC custom component module for ExpressPCB/ExpressSch? > total cost = engineering cost + unit cost * number of units. Yes Wouter, but this doesn't apply to most hobbyists who do it because its fun and they want to learn something. The journey can be as much the reward as the destination. It still applies, it's just that "engineering cost" becomes much harder to measure. Some "engineering costs" (those part of the "learning something") are considered zero, while other "unpleasant" tasks have so much "cost" that they are rejected out-of-hand. (lots of "hobbyists" have given up on the ideas of making their own device programmers and UV erasers in favor of relatively expensive commercial offerings, for instance...) BillW -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.