> no external power You mean no wall-wart or the like, powered from from target cicruit? try wisp628, or maybe a USB programmer. Wouter van Ooijen -- ------------------------------------------- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: www.voti.nl consultancy, development, PICmicro products -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.