> Right now a newbie can start with a copy of JAL, a $12 USD > TLVP programmer (add > a couple of dollars to make it high voltage), and a 16F628 > and can be rolling > in an afternoon. While programming software like FPP and > picprg are readily > available and packaged for the 16F family, the corresponding > versions for the > 18F family have yet to emerge. They will of course, but > evolution is somewhat > slow. [AD]: While downloading Jal, why not get Wisp628 too? It handles 18F's just fine, and they program *much* faster than than the 16F's. For the DIY folks: Wisp628 is just a 16F628 and a MAX232, with some stuff around, download the .hex file and go. For the lazy: the kit is $20.... Wouter van Ooijen -- ------------------------------------------- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: www.voti.nl consultancy, development, PICmicro products -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics