Steve, I've just checked Rapid and they don't either, but have you tried emailing Crownhill? For example they do have the 18F series in stock, but they're not listed on their site. It might also be worthwhile emailing Viewcom or perhaps Microchip (I think they're in Reading) might be able to point you in the right direction. Colin -- cdb, bodgy1@optusnet.com.au on 13/01/2003 I have always been a few Dendrites short of an Axon and believe me it shows. Light travels faster than sound. That's why some people appear bright until they speak! -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics