This may have been mentioned already, but the tip of a mechanical pencil might also work instead of a hypo needle - I thought of this while looking at the metal tip of my 0.9mm pencil. Cheers, Bob -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads