> The man asked for help, not for a bullet ;-) Otherwise using > vtcl (visual tcl 'builder') closely resembles 'visual' tools made by others. That's probably why I put tcl only as second... Wouter van Ooijen -- ------------------------------------------- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: www.voti.nl consultancy, development, PICmicro products -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body